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Imperial Arts ([info]imperialarts) wrote,

Goetia #29: Astaroth


OShTRTh (Astaroth) pronounced "Osh-tar-ot"
Duke Commanding 40 Legions
West
 
What is the meaning and purpose of magic? Is it a secret advantage? A remedy for inadequacy? A neglected birthright? I see magic approached in the modern world as if it were all of these things. One person will use magic to obtain securities and favors he would otherwise not obtain, while another uses it to perform crimes with impunity, and yet another seeks guidance or healing from it. Those who see magic as a tool for purely spiritual gain often neglect its practical value, and vice versa. If it is a sacred art, it would seem out of line to employ it for such dubious ends as career adjustments and relief from minor worries; but if it is not to be used for ordinary things then its overall value is greatly diminished. I sought, first and foremost, answers about the foundations of magic from this spirit said to guard great Secrets: to know the purpose of magic, its significance as an art or science, and its fundamental mechanisms.
 
From the very beginning, I received more than what I wanted; but in the end I was not disappointed.
 
 
The precise nature of this spirit has been the subject of some serious and well-warranted debate among occultists and religious scholars. Presented in numerous instances as Astaroth, a masculine demon, the same name appears elsewhere as a goddess of the ancient Middle East by the name of "Astarte" or "Ishtar" and a dozen or more variations.
 
The basic characteristics of Astarte the goddess typify femininity: beauty sentimentality, sexuality, vindictiveness, competitiveness, and confidence amidst vulnerability. She was given worship as one of the prominent deities of nearly every culture in the region for the last three or four thousand years, and in the current fashion of renovating ancient deities it is difficult to see such a widely-respected goddess presented as an evil demon, much less as a male.
 
I was prepared to let this issue resolve itself by experience, assuming that the distinction between the demon Astaroth and the goddess Astarte, or their congruence, would become immediately clear. It had seemed to me that it was a reasonable case that the two were in fact the same entity. Astaroth is associated with the planet Venus (a variation on the goddess) by the copper of its seal and by the timing of its office during the early morning. The image ascribed by the Goetia suggests a cruel angel astride "an infernal beast like a dragon" which I supposed to be the creature depicted on the Ishtar gate. The powers of Astaroth generally appearing in the grimoires include things like knowledge of secrets, bold and violent campaigns, and other pursuits which could easily be found in the character of Venus, Ishtar, Astarte, and other figures in that vein. The seal of the spirit, a pentacle with flourishes, also suggests an intimate connection to the planet Venus on account of obscure astronomical facts which have lately come into the popular imagination.
 
The appearance of the spirit, preceding the Address to the Spirit, was accompanied by two events for which I cannot account. One was a loud growl or roar that seemed to vibrate in the air, and which I expected to have awakened everyone in the house if not everyone in the neighborhood. My wife said she had some disturbing dreams that she could not recall, but no one seems to have been bothered by the sound. The other event was a series of chattering noises that I would have dismissed as animals having a lively conversation, except that there were a large number of them and they were very quiet. I am assured that it was not my children.
 
I heard a voice, quiet and sultry, and it was speaking whole sentences before the spirit became clear in the haze of my incense.
 
The apparition itself was nothing like what I had expected. I had been expecting maybe a beautiful woman, a diplodocus, Babylon the Great, a man covered in jeweled scales, or something that one might associate ordinarily with Astaroth or Astarte. Instead I was surprised to see what might have been Quetzalcoatl: a cockatrice ridden by a dwarf. When I say a "dwarf" I certainly do not mean a pygmy or a midget, but an adult person no bigger than an infant.
 
I have seen such a creature once before, alive as far as I could tell, in a side-show. The signs outside advertised "The World's Smallest Woman" with a picture of a dainty blonde in a poodle skirt standing happily on the hand of a man. I expected some trick of mirrors, a riddle so to speak, but was mortified to discover instead a deformed person less than two feet high sitting in a bundle watching TV. I was staring at a freak, not a trick, and there was a feeling of guilt I have not forgotten. I enjoyed the beautiful woman with her head sticking out of a rubber snake much more: her side-show act was at least an honest form of trickery.
 
I expect that it was this guilt which provoked the apparition to take such a form, though of all my guilts I cannot fathom why it would have chosen that particular one. Perhaps it had something to do with the nature of my disgust in the side-show incident. I had presumed to deface a secret, to expose myself to trickery and then wriggle away from it by wit and the powers of my own ingenuity. I would have seen the trick and guessed at its secrets, but was given what nature had accomplished without need of deceit or shame. Nature may be ugly, but it does not require an apology for its ugliness, nor make much in the way of distinction between that and the side we prefer to see.
 
The vision of the little woman on the cockatrice gave me no feeling of guilt. She was disgusting, but the beast had all the beauty of any fowl or serpent ever to crawl out of the jungle. The little elf was dark and sweaty, with a sour face that reminded me of "Ghoulies" more than any figure from mythology. The cockatrice - it could have been nothing else - was very large and covered with what appeared to be feathers stripped of their barbs, and a head more like a dog than a snake. It was a mix of beauty of deformity, and I guessed at the time that I was looking at some monstrosity that had gone to the dust in the extremely remote past, being ridden by a humanoid whose existence paleontology failed to record.
 
The spirit announced itself as the Bride of God, the Unknown which is Known, the Mystery Discovered, and sundry other titles. It declared that it would come for all who call, without schedule or condition. "Much is done that I have made happen, and now I extend my hand to you. What say you? Wish of me. I will be with you," was the end of its introduction, the most lengthy I have yet encountered.
 
I put my initial question to the spirit in as straightforward a manner as possible, seeking the meaning and purpose of magic.
 
"You have endured the ages of ignorance, belief, law, and knowledge, but the age of decision has not yet arrived."
 
Much followed here in regard to a succession of ages as developments in the tale of humanity. The spirit gave particular attention to the "Age of Law," which it described as the dawn of the idols. According to the spirit, aversion to laws gave rise to widespread attempts to develop new laws with their own spiritual benefactors. When a thing was proclaimed as bad, a supportive leader or deity was promoted for those who took an interest in the prohibited thing, leading to conflict. The spirit spoke only briefly of the other periods in history.
 
"A necessity of limitation" is key to the idea of magic, according to the spirit. We simply cannot have everything that we want or need, nor even everything we deserve or have earned. The part of power withheld by magic is a critical component in its performance. This doctrine of constriction is, according to the spirit, a central facet of magic that cannot be escaped, and which accounts for its failures, answering in part my curiosity about the mechanism behind magic.
 
The principle of limitation applies to the design, performance, and effect of magic, and is the crux upon which all of its operations rests. The principle, in is simplest form, is that a desire must arise and then be denied - sacrificed - to the greater goal which is presumably the true aim of the magician.
 
In the design and performance of magical spells and rituals, the principle of limitation is apparent in the conditions under which the magician must operate. The spell must be performed at a peculiar hour, or it must incorporate specific articles which might appear impossible or difficult to obtain. The body may be put into compromised positions, or the mind taxed by confusion. These are inconveniences which one might wish to abandon in favor of something that could be done any time, any place, using any thing, but it is the denial of these wishes that gives the spell its power.
 
In the effect of magic, as much depends on the limits of a spell as upon the powers it offers. The effect may weaken within a certain period, or affect only a particular person, or in some other way it will be confined to a result that forces the magician to plan ahead. A spell aimed at people with red hair, for example, has a better chance of success than a spell aimed at everyone you meet, and a spell aimed at everyone in the world is practically doomed to fail. A magician might like his spell to affect everyone in the world, but the desire is sacrificed in favor of something more precise for the sake of effectiveness.
 
The coiled or constricting serpent, feeding itself while squeezing its prey, is a very appropriate symbol for magic on account of this principle. Such a symbol appears in numerous forms throughout the legacy of magical lore, from the Heart Girt with a Serpent to the Ouroboros, both of which has several additional meanings which may or may not have any bearing on the idea of constriction in pursuit of freedom.
 
"You have this art to bring together what is reserved for each man and woman," was the manner in which this spirit indicated the role of magic as a sort of Karma exchange program. It is not enough to merely want something and then deny it; but instead it is necessary to be able to obtain what is wanted and then arrive at a position where it might be possible to obtain that. The spirit was hostile to the suggestion that we have freedom as individuals, unless freedom could be compared to a choice between what's behind Door A, vs. what's behind Door B. We are stuck with something, whether we want it or not, and magic is useful only in making a conscious choice in the matter.
 
The spirit was quite clear that magic is not a clever trick developed by mankind for the sake of making life easier. It is not chemistry or electricity, or some natural principle that we have harnessed by learning its rules and conditions. The spirit indicated that magic is, as we are told by even the most illiterate tracts on the subject, the underlying principle of life in matter. We live and govern our existence by spiritual intervention in matter, and the spirit was insistent that there is no mechanical difference between the greatest conjuration imaginable and the decision to pick your nose. Both acts are the product of incorporeal spirits manipulating material existence.
 
This spirit is said to speak of the creation of spirits and their fall from grace, and this seemed like a good time to continue the discussion on spirits. It is interesting to note that the name Astaroth first appear in the Bible in reference to "Astaroth of the Horns" in the tale of Abraham. This is identified as the capital of the Rephaim, ruled by Og of Bashan, the giant said to have survived for thousands of years after the Great Flood. I think it is significant that the principal city of this last of the "great men of old" bears the name of what is probably the most ancient of deities. 
 
"The wild ones, without reason or purpose, unrestrained and uncontrolled, destroyed the world."
 
The Fall of Spirits was not, then an act of disobedience or rebellion, but simply failing to take heed of consequences. It should not be so surprising to we who live in this age of senseless global destruction. We are a world of litterbugs at best, and at worst we are dramatically reducing wilderness from its pristine state to wastelands, landfills, and the uninhabitable pavement empire that has become synonymous with civilization. Through sheer carelessness of an unrestrained and insatiable appetite, the world of those who dwell now only in our dreams was put to utter ruin.
 
The spirits, or so claimed the demon, are inextricably linked to this world. They depend on it entirely, as much as we humans do. Spirits - by this definition the demon did not exclude or divide the spirits into any sort of category, but spoke of them all together as a single body - depend on the material world and are not exempt from it. There was no hint whatsoever given for the existence of pure spirits who have no place in this world, or who are unaffected by it. They are as connected to the physical world "as you are to that body," to use the words of the demon.
 
I had been curious whether the description of the office of the spirit meant that it could speak of the "Fall of Spirits" in a general sense, as is described above, or if it meant only the reasons and circumstances of their bindings in the Brazen Vessel. Having satisfied my curiosity on that account, I pursued the vessel itself as it appears in the grimoire.
 
The image on the Brazen Vessel of Solomon, as described in the Lemegeton, shows a seal that has been the subject of some speculation. It is, in my opinion, reminiscent of an antique keyhole, which would be appropriate for a design of a locked vessel from which spirits are released by a "key" of Solomon. I have mentioned in Volume One of these experiments that the design is represented as the emblem of the Argent Elixir in Barchusen's 1718 work on alchemy, with a dragon in place of the seal of Saturn and a lion in place of Mars. Crowley, and many who follow his line of inductive reasoning, assert that the image is most likely representative of a goddess with arms raised. The words surrounding the vessel in Sloane 2731 also appear to support this view. I had long suspected that the seal depicts the Tower of Babel, which is often considered to be the foundations of sorcery and idolatry. I decided to ask the spirit, who speaks on Secret things, about the Secret Seal of Solomon.
 
"A cloud by day and a column of fire by night."
 
This was most interesting. These are the manifestations of God that led the Hebrews out of Egypt, which are events mentioned in the conjurations, but more significantly they are connected to the famous "Shem Ha-Mephorasch" of 216 letters. This Name of God has 72 divisions and is drawn from a peculiar method of reading a particular passage in Exodus concerning the final downfall of Pharaoh's army. These names are also invoked as the roots of angelic names appearing as "balancing" forces contrary to those of the spirits in the Goetia. The appearance of the "pillar of fire" in this instance is very intriguing as it connects, and perhaps explains, the use of the 72-fold name in variations of this form of ceremony for a reason other than numeric congruence.

Someone, perhaps Rudd or his source material, had identified the image of the Secret Seal and adapted that knowledge to an expanded form of the art which incorporated the spirits whose names are encoded in the portion of the Torah wherein that image is described as the final seal on the freedom of the Hebrews and the demise of their oppressors.
 
I asked specifically about "fallen angels" and the like. The spirit responded that there is knowledge of good and evil even among the spirits, and that their crime are known to it. The demon Astaroth would betray the secret indiscretions even of other spirits, exposing their weaknesses. "All are cast down for a cause," it declared, though I will not detail such causes here as I consider it a matter of privilege.
 
The spirit did speak at length on the idea of women, and the failure in relations between men and women which has been the norm for people since ages untold. We are, "always frustrated with what cannot be controlled," and it used the idea of women as an analogy for the allure of magic. Women exemplify the powers of magic, of which this spirit Astaroth declared it was the especial representative.
 
"Beauty, power, and trust," the virtues of women in its estimate, are valued for their ability to "violate the rule not uphold it." The spirit decried the source of most human frustrations as a network of what amounted to superstitions and taboos, whereas it proclaimed restrictions as described above as the superior alternative. It appeared that the spirit was actually giving a complaint about people, which is ironic to find in a spirit that might otherwise be expected to revel in human failure.
 
I asked the spirit, in particular, about the occult ambitions of people. I have seen failure, and success, in every form of magic from many different people. I have done some considerable things myself, and yet elsewhere I have expected results and found nothing. I wanted to know the hidden components behind these differences, especially those concerned with people working with more or less the same procedures and finding substantially different results.
 
Now it may seem odd that the spirit would be in the midst of a general statement on human nature and then become pestered by me about occultism. I must reiterate that this spirit practically insisted that it is the source of magical ambitions, guiding those who seek its aid to the paths whereupon their desires may be made manifest. Those paths might need to be hacked clear at times, and the use of magic, warfare, science, and the devices of all manner of passion are the means of clearing those paths. This spirit has been influential in such pursuits for a very long time, and with me it was keen to promote itself as the fountain of arcane knowledge.
 
I was told specifically that the difference between success and failure was a matter of discipline. It is not enough to have rules, or even obsessive observances, if one has not the right sort of discipline. There is no particular discipline for any particular goal, but for each ambition for each person there is a methodical approach which must be put into practice. I desired instruction in this, so that the way of determining the proper discipline could be discovered by myself or any other person.
 
"For forty-two days meditate daily on my seal, the pentacle with a circle at its center."
 
The spirit explicitly forbid me to mention any of this until the Solstice, for reasons it did not describe. I have been asked about it, but have withheld answer until now.
 
"Unburden yourself from all crimes and apply yourself to all non-escape motives," was added to its demands. Crime is a fairly cut-and dry category, but the motive of escape is obscure. I suppose this to mean any action taken to remove myself from a problem rather than fix it.
 
 "Evaluate the worthiness of anything found," was also instructed, again for unknown reasons. I have seen no specific reason for this suggestion.
 
"Create from intent, not from design." This was also enigmatic, and I suppose it had more to do with my line of work than anything else.
 
I have maintained the "discipline" of the spirit since the conjuration some weeks ago. I must report that every single night of sleep has produced some of the most vivid and terrifying nightmares I have ever experienced. Almost all of them involve dragons and other fantasy themes, disease and all sorts of loathsome creatures, a variety of occult concepts, and each with a direct lesson demonstrated. The consistency of these nightmares rules out the reasonable possibility that they are not in some way related to the work prescribed by the spirit. I tend to dream about people, houses, cars, and that sort of thing; and usually not humongous fat ugly dragons that vomit glowing snot and tell me I will die of colon cancer.
 
Overall I must say that I regard these dreams not as the result of the practice but as an indication of the character of the spirit and as signs of its acknowledgment for my persistence.
 
I had spent quite a long time with the spirit and thought that, having received answers and a "discipline" which might elicit more, it was time to say the License to Depart. The room was already thick with haze from copious amounts of incense that had been put on the dying coal, and whether the spirit disappeared or simply faded into the fog was not apparent. It said nothing at its departure, and I wondered if it had gone at all, so I repeated the License to Depart twice more before concluding the ceremony.
 
 
 
 


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Anonymous

June 22 2011, 22:46:56 UTC 10 months ago


Simply amazing John! This account really spoke to me. The advise the spirit offered really struck home! The practices seem very inticing, but I wonder if its appropriate for magicians who have not evoked Astoroth successfully yet? I've missed your accounts and our emails. I figured life must have gotten even bussier or the volume of fellow magician's emails too great in number. LoL Do hope to hear(read) more soon and eventually obtain book II ...and eventually the full illustrated tomb! ;-)

All the best!

Anonymous

June 23 2011, 16:11:19 UTC 10 months ago

[ 42 and Jewish Mysticism ]

The number 42 is intriguing because it is exactly 1.5 moon cycles. I have seen this before where Jewish/Christian mysticism places significance on starting a ritual on the new-moon, meditating for a full cycle of 28 days and then proceed in the completion of the ritual as the mystic approaches the full moon.

With the 1st day of the ritual being the new-moon and devoid of influence and for preparation, the 42nd day being the completion of the ritual, this leaves 40 days of actual meditation/contemplation/prayer etc.

For example, Jesus wandering the desert for 40 days/nights. Moses in the mountains for 40 days/nights while writing the commandments. Jesus on earth 40 days post resurrection. Raining 40 days/nights during the flood, etc, etc...

The Egyptians also believed that it took 40 days/nights for the deceased to reach the afterlife, their embalming process taking an equal amount of time.

Anonymous

June 23 2011, 16:43:36 UTC 10 months ago

Age of Decision

Astaroth mentions the 'Age of Decision', but nothing is said about it here.

Does this imply that we will be forced into a sustainable way of life in respects to resources, city planning, government stability? Or is he speaking about the decision of the people in regards to anti-government revolutions that are happening across the globe?

[info]imperialarts

June 29 2011, 07:20:45 UTC 10 months ago

Re: Age of Decision

Maybe we will decide whether or not to leave the earth. Maybe, on the other hand, it is an age in which we are in such a technological position that we need only to apply ourselves and what we wish can be accomplished.

Imagine that! Invention used to take forever. Imagine a time when you could say "I would like a thing that does ____" and then let the computer print the method, a machine produce the mechanism, and there you have it. What would have have? What would you do? If your decisions were not limited by your inabilities, what decisions would you make?

Anonymous

June 23 2011, 17:12:44 UTC 10 months ago

Principle of Limitation

Just to clarify, (correct me if I'm wrong), Astaroth mentions that a self-sacrifice must be made for the sake of the end result and that the sacrifice must be of similar value to that result. And along with that we must be capable of and available to receive it.

Is the suggestion that asceticism is the answer? Does each act of self-denial compound more spiritual force or is it a matter of exhibiting a quality which is recognized by unseen entities? What was your impression?

Anonymous

June 24 2011, 03:54:31 UTC 10 months ago

Re: Principle of Limitation

Personally I don't think that's it -- I find it similar to some of what Austin Osman Spare wrote in the Book of Pleasure:

"The mind becomes firm in desire by desire as devotion, but when realized is it then eternally desirable? (or even for a period of a million years). In Heaven shall be fettered thy foot! Therefore remove the conception that desire is pure, or impure, or has completion- remove it by the "Neither-Neither." Even whether the desire is for the exhasustion of desire by the "neither-Neither" or for realization in a wife- it is desire- its unending evolution. Therefore remove desire in any form by the "Neither-Neither." Remove the illusion that there is Spirit and Not-Spirit (this idea has never given beneficial results). Remove all conceptions by the same means."

Of course I'd be curious to know what John thinks.

-Al

[info]imperialarts

June 29 2011, 07:21:20 UTC 10 months ago

Re: Principle of Limitation

Although the general perception of magic includes austerity and asceticism, the spirit (I think) means something more than self-denial.

There is an old joke: a priest asks a rabbi if he ever ate pork, and the rabbi admits he once ate a ham sandwich. The priest asks if he enjoyed it, and of course the rabbi says yes, then asks the priest if he ever had sex. The priest says that yes, once he did have sex, so the rabbi says, "Its a lot better than a ham sandwich eh?"

At some point denial of denial becomes more powerful.

As "Al" mentions, the first thing to come to my mind was AO Spare's doctrine on sigils. He suggests that desire must "become organic" and then be sacrificed for the sake of the sigilized purpose. I think Spare hit upon the same basic principle, and saw that it was at work in magical rituals, but was unable to make his position clear.

[info]hengruh

June 23 2011, 20:58:31 UTC 10 months ago

"For forty-two days meditate daily on my seal, the pentacle with a circle at its center."

The spirit explicitly forbid me to mention any of this until the Solstice, for reasons it did not describe. I have been asked about it, but have withheld answer until now.

=These are some of my thoughts, such that they are.

=I think there are doors closed at various points, and I have felt this Solstice to be a large door that has closed on the fate of the nations. I have had this kind of thing happen before, such as the second election of Ronald Reagan when a spirit told me in a dream that we opened one door and closed another as a nation that night.

"Unburden yourself from all crimes and apply yourself to all non-escape motives," was added to its demands. Crime is a fairly cut-and dry category, but the motive of escape is obscure. I suppose this to mean any action taken to remove myself from a problem rather than fix it.

I think you are right in your interpretation. Pay your debts (not just monetary) but definitely and sincerely take action towards correcting your debts/ill-actions...face the music, pay the fiddler. No procrastination, etc. If there is something that cannot be done, such as for someone who has passed on, do what is necessary to pay the debt to that spirit so there is nothing left undone/unsaid.

"Evaluate the worthiness of anything found," was also instructed, again for unknown reasons. I have seen no specific reason for this suggestion.

=Free isn't always good. Worthiness is not only fiscal, but moral. Also given that life/time and resources are limited, is this thing "worthy" of that expenditure.

"Create from intent, not from design." This was also enigmatic, and I suppose it had more to do with my line of work than anything else.

= As an artist, create not just from aesthetics, but for the ultimate purpose of the work, your will not just your eye-- why are you doing it...what is the ultimate intention? This is not just just as an artist, but as a sorceror (a type of artist!), so the forms/etc. are necessary for constriction (like a smaller hose creates greater force with the same amount of water as does a larger hose), but they are not necessary as anything more than that. The work of an artist is an act of creation that is a microcosm of The Act of Creation. Thus the delight of the other demon in your sacrifice of your artwork in its name.

What is your ultimate intent for doing this project...keep that in mind, not just the forms and curiosity. The purpose. You MIGHT be a in a position to do much good to combat the destruction of this beautiful world. The next click of that destruction began at Solstice. Are you? Can you? Is it possible? Is it hubris?

Anonymous

June 24 2011, 07:29:43 UTC 10 months ago

I'm so envious

I really want to meet Astaroth. I know it sounds wrong, I don't even know how to perform rituals, I'm from an Asian country and I understand little about Christian. I dreamed of Astaroth once, it was terrifying even though I didn't even see him up close, then I woke up in the middle of the night and heard some very eerie sounds. It was real fear. But somehow after that I can't get him out of my mind. So I started to read about demons. That dream continued once but I didn't get to face him in the end. Maybe it was nothing more than a dream, so I really want to meet the real thing if he does exist to see if I can feel the same link. I'm sorry to be honest I can't really accept this reality of demons yet, I don't believe they are what people say they are but at the same time I'm scared to try to face them, I'm so confused now. I only know that if he exists I really want to see him...
I don't believe demons are really evil because I'm very bothered by the notion of good and evil. What is the boundary between them?
I just want to talk to you. I will return to this page so please do reply...
Thank you for the entry!

Anonymous

June 24 2011, 15:43:05 UTC 10 months ago

non escape motive

The evocation gave me a lot to think about. I'm preparing for more ritual work this month, so the advice is timely. the non escape motive I can understand. We use little escapes from our problems and reality... World of warcraft, fantasies, daydreams, things that distract us from our goals and provide a momentary release from the pressures of every day life. It's a mental attitude more than an actual doing of one particular thing. This escapist attitude can be the deniel that prevents us from confronting problems such as alcoholism or a chronic health problem that requires constant discipline and maintenence. It can also distract us from magical goals. I see that as a form of fasting. On the positive side it's focusing on the ritual and the success you expect to see. To do this you have to be able to totally focus your thoughts and will because the escapism is natural and easy to fall into. The way she put it is tremendously helpful to me, I was trying to do this but I didn't have a good handle on the concept I could pick up only part of what I was supposed to be doing.

I have some thoughts on the other things said but I want to digest it for awhile before I comment. This jumped out at me.

[info]imperialarts

June 29 2011, 07:20:02 UTC 10 months ago

Re: non escape motive

I think of escape motives also as those things that we do to only as a way to solve a problem. A lot of people want big heaps of cash, but they aren't greedy, they only want to escape from the perils of poverty. The discipline of the spirit would be to indulge in pure avarice or avoid trying to get enough cash to escape whatever problems make you want it.

Anonymous

June 25 2011, 09:12:09 UTC 10 months ago

the general conversation

I've had a bit of first and second hand experience with Astaroth. The encounter I find interesting because it shows vividly how a demon slides it's goals in to mix it with the magician's goals and reveals in part the stratagy and pitfall to avoid when dealing with tricky entities. Your goal is to gain occult knowledge and understand what kind of discipline would be required for any magician who is dedicated to have success with these spirits. Characteristics of an unfoling path to a successful conjurist. Clarifying and gaining in your own abilities and in counsel as well. Her goal is simple demonoltry and control in a situation where she is bound to serve. She plays this out. She can give you the information she probably has that card. But she wants what she wants in return ... a little attention sleeping with her seal ... what happens to the seal happens to the spirit. So you get a mixed blessing out of it you have nightmares your in an exposed condition when you work with a demon that way but there is a benefit too you gain what you want. two carrots dangling. The demon dangling the carrot of occult knowledge, your dangling the carrot of attention the game of chess begins. .... the question is will there be any usable advice out of this. She specifically said this was your discipline. ... didn't make a generalization. She was addressing your quest and your role as exorcist. I don't know that she was addressing the probably innumerable emails you get asking how to do this...... is it love? ( just kidding)

I'd love to hear if anything comes of it though. My own progress is slow enough but there is steady improvement and no stalemate the results and directions are clear enough even if the images of the spirits is still in a fog. .... well that may just be our crappy weather. Send some of that desert heat up here we're still shivering.

[info]hengruh

June 25 2011, 17:30:05 UTC 10 months ago

""The wild ones, without reason or purpose, unrestrained and uncontrolled, destroyed the world."

=I didn't know there was a Wall Street and a military-industrial-energy complex back then too!

The Fall of Spirits was not, then an act of disobedience or rebellion, but simply failing to take heed of consequences. It should not be so surprising to we who live in this age of senseless global destruction. We are a world of litterbugs at best, and at worst we are dramatically reducing wilderness from its pristine state to wastelands, landfills, and the uninhabitable pavement empire that has become synonymous with civilization. Through sheer carelessness of an unrestrained and insatiable appetite, the world of those who dwell now only in our dreams was put to utter ruin."

=Sounds like this is happening again. Are WE the Fallen next? THIS is what I was interested in using magic for, since I was a kid in the 70s. Fighting the destruction. I well remember what several of the demons of the wilderness that you conjured said. I don't know if you are into reading much non-magical stuff, but Derrick Jensen writes a lot about this battle. And I am reading his most recent work "Dreams" which connects "Others" who connect to us through our dreams and odd synchronicities.

"The spirits, or so claimed the demon, are inextricably linked to this world. They depend on it entirely, as much as we humans do. Spirits - by this definition the demon did not exclude or divide the spirits into any sort of category, but spoke of them all together as a single body - depend on the material world and are not exempt from it. There was no hint whatsoever given for the existence of pure spirits who have no place in this world, or who are unaffected by it. They are as connected to the physical world "as you are to that body," to use the words of the demon."

YES YES YES. I am no Gnostic. I always felt spirit and flesh to be a sort of false dichotomy, carried through by science in the Cartesian split. This IS the body, we inhabit/suffuse our body, so do the spirits inhabit/suffuse place, large and small, from the sky and mountain, to haunted house and valley, to a rock or artifact. True...from an indigenous point of view, from global and ancient animism, even from Christianity and how Christ exorcised the demons from the man and allowed them at their request to go into the herd of swine, and verified in the stories of missionaries in Iceland, in Ireland, and everywhere, of their focus on exorcism of the nature spirits to reduce matter to a spiritless state of "resources" to be done with as we will.

[info]hengruh

June 26 2011, 13:01:06 UTC 10 months ago

PS. From a review of Patrick Harpur's "Daimonic Reality" (which also talks about daimonic enitities identification with physical place):
"The word daimon actually comes from a Greek term meaning something like 'spirit of place.' Daimons were not the 'demons' of contemporary Christian lore, but much, much older entities that pagan peoples recognized as being associated with actual locations or natural landmarks.

Thus werewolves live in the deep woods, aliens descend from the sky, faeries disappear into circles of rocks, sea serpents inhabit lonely landlocked lakes, and trolls guard crossings, bridges, and borders.

Daimonic Reality is still one of my all-time favorite books on the paranormal, because it strikes me as being the simple truth of the matter. The book cuts through the endless annoying debate over whether paranormal creatures are material or psychological in nature, whether they are 'real' or 'imaginary'.

Harpur's answer is, "Both!" (http://paranormalpopcorn.blogspot.com/2010/05/patrick-harpurs-daimonic-reality.html)

[info]imperialarts

June 29 2011, 07:23:05 UTC 10 months ago

I rarely read anything at all. Currently I am reading a book on Djinn and the King James dialogues on demonology, depending on which bathroom I am using. Otherwise I am reading the "Wrinkle in Time" series to the children, with Kipling stories between volumes. Most of my book time goes into reading for the children.

I have an unfounded belief in reincarnation, that we are given one life as spiritual entities but with many material lives. Obviously there is a considerable amount of belief in this in the far east, and even the Bible has Jacob's Ladder before the Hebrew religion became abducted by the Egyptian one. Unfortunately this is just a notion of mine and I could not say much else about why this idea seems reasonable to me, other than the fact that there are certain instant intimate recognitions, awake or in dreams, that tie together not only what I know of a person but also common threads of fate.

Anonymous

June 30 2011, 12:05:02 UTC 10 months ago

reincarnation

It's Myrna, didn't feel like logging in. Ian Stevenson was a psychiatrist at the U. of Virginia and devoted his life to researching apparent cases of reincarnation. He only investigated young children claiming previous lives, none of this hypnotic regression business. Not saying I believe in reincarnation, but his work by far makes the best case for it. One of the more interesting things he found (provided he found anything at all) was that children who claim to remember past lives (1) report a violent/sudden death, and (2) they have birthmarks on their current bodies that correspond to the death injury. Typical example: child claims he was shot in the chest in the previous life, and has a small port wine birthmark on his chest, and a much messier scattershot of port wine birthmarks on his back. This would correspond to the messy exit wound. Very interesting stuff.

Anonymous

July 14 2011, 06:04:17 UTC 10 months ago

Meditation on Astaroth's seal

I've been attempting to do that practice outlined by the spirit here for a few days now and didn't really get any horrible dreams (flying in a jet and shooting down Hitler, learning a lesson about vampires and their magic etc)

I don't know if I'm doing it wrongly? I drew the seal of Astaroth on a blank card some students use for studying and added a circle in the pentacle. I sit down and stare it, concentrating on it for about 10 minutes each night before sleeping.

-Al

Anonymous

August 20 2011, 19:57:03 UTC 9 months ago

About time for a new entry, mr. King?

[info]imperialarts

August 22 2011, 01:37:49 UTC 8 months ago

Actually, no, it's not. I have a lot of things going on right now and very little spare time. The last thing I need are more projects on the table, and the current ones do not require further intervention at this time.

I would like to combine the use of the Second Pentacle of the Sun from the Key of Solomon with the conjuration of the 1st spirit of Goetia at some time in the future. It would be best to see what sort of effect this has before proceeding to something like demanding the Ring of Virtues from Asmoday, where the Pentacle might prove useful.

I also have a definite plan to call the 8th spirit later in the autumn, and a tentative plan to combine a series of conjurations for interests in Central America. For different reasons, now is not the tme for either of these things.

I appreciate the interest in this continuing work. Unless there is some specific reason against it, the records will continue to be posted at my convenience.

Anonymous

October 31 2011, 10:36:55 UTC 6 months ago

Just a quick question slightly unrelated to this post but I was wondering how you construct your circle, do you use a portable canvas, hinged wood or new hand drawn circle?

I read a previous post about setting up just outside of vegas in the desert and was just wondering how you set up.

[info]imperialarts

November 1 2011, 05:31:09 UTC 6 months ago

The circle is drawn in colors on a large white cloth. I have used various candlesticks over the years, glass, brass, silver, or stone. Aside from these, the circle folds neatly into a roll that can be fit into a tote bag. Rolling and returning the circle requires only a few minutes. The use of a cloth for the circle was my wife's idea, and credit for the popularity of this format goes to her.
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